Plain Answer is NO!!!!
By Mwaba Mutale
I think this has gone far but for now, let me talk as a qualified Political Scholar, and mastering in State.Affairs… This isn’t Rhetoric, it’s Academic…
First of all, if we look at how the British Colonial Structure, they organized their administration into two systems, we had colonies (colonial) and we had Protectorates like (Buchernland, Lesotho, Zambia and Malawi)
For important Protectorates, they had they had representation in the British Parliament, Northern Rhodesia, Nyasaland, Southern Rhodesia had representation.in the British Parliament. Now is the punch line, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BAROSTE REPRESENTATIVE IN THE LONDON PARLIAMENT….
Secondly all colonial areas had Legco, (Legislation Councils), right now what is now cabinet office. We have a similar building in Zimbabwe we have one in Malawi. Now point one building that was an independent parliament in Barotse?
Cathedrals
The state religion of England is Anglicanism. The British Built Cathedrals in all important major colonies. We have similar structures in Lesotho, Swaziland, Bostwana, Zimbabwe, Malawi, and the one we have in Zambia that seats in Lusaka, (the cathedral of the Holy cross)..Now show me where the British put a cathedral in Mongu? If it was considered why was it overlooked?
Civil service…
Did you know that up to now, Zambia is still paying Pensions to some old whites who served in the Northern Rhodesia. Now tell me has Baroste ever paid a pension to anyone??? They have always been paid by Zambian Authorities…
Apart from Litungas Kapaso’s they have never had an independent Baroste police service, no independent army, not even a postal system. If it was how come there was not even a decent airport
Governor
The British had a governor, in all its colonies and Protectorates, the last being sir Evelyn Hone. There has never been a governor for Baroste, not one! They just had a PC, Provincial Commissioner like every one else who reported to the governor in Lusaka…
There has never been official representation of the Rhodesia in London. Baroste has never had a seperate legal system, no separate Prison system, nothing, not even a banking system or a separate currency..
When the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland was being signed in 1953, the Baroste where not even spoken about. If they were a separate entity, they would have signed separately. They were not even spoken about, not even a single signature from Baroste…
Zambia’s real independence dates to 1962, KK ruled for two years before 1964 actual separation. The real story is that 1962 Zambia was represented by Natives (Nkumbula, Kapwepwe, Kaunda, the Wina Brothers etc and white by Roy Welensky. The Baroste had no representation. They just arose and partitioned for separation when they realized they would be ruled . The Baroste Agreement dates to 1964, as an axenture to the independence agreement…There is no clause about seperation, it’s just about natural resources administration of Mongu.
The Lozis could have had a separate Protectorate. But the then Litunga messed up, unlike Moshesh in Leshotho or Khama in Buchenrland or Sobuzha in Swaziland who signed directly with the British government, Historians blame the Litunga, he became selfish and for a quick buck signed with a company, the British South African Company. When the British took over the entire land in 1924, for administrative purposes and convince…
Actually the Bembas and the Ngonis have a better case because the British beat the shit out of them and grabbed their land. The lozi’s signed their land away freely and willfully..
Whatever the case, Zambia is Defacto State, we now one Nation, what is done is done. No need to cause confusion to undo past mistakes. What’s gone is gone, time focus and move on…
In short, these are facts, I haven’t insulted anybody, I’ve laid the facts as they are in History. But I would love to listen to others facts, not handed down traditional stories but real historical facts. So please with no insults, kindly share what you know…
Let’s debate…..
Please people Barotseland history can be obtained from GOOGLE, WIKIPEDIA, AMAZONIA etc.All information you would want to know about Barotseland is there .
The masters holder is lacking information. MUTALE you may wish to know that Barotseland is older than Northern Rhodesia. Let the debate continue there are many people out there both barotses and rhodesians lacking knowledge on this issue
of Barotseland and may want to know.You know the tendency of Rhodesians, they never want to sweat for things,always want things on silver plate. So please Barotses just continue spoon feeding these people maybe one day they will understand and give us back our Barotseland they stole from us.
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Ba Mutale, you have done a good job. You have done your wide research, it is clear now where I should put these mean self centered unforgiving people. We need people like you Ba Mutale in our University to be teaching facts. Am really impressed with the way you have laid bare the facts. The Bible says let those with ears hear and those with eye, see… I rest my case right here.
This is a waste of space ba ZE I expected an exchange of knowledge not of insults. Thank you
Mwaba stinks of hate against a “people”, typical of Bembas.
Insults , insults, insults. You never gonna get to convince any one with that. I wonder whether those calling Mwaba Mutale uneducated have even been to the University themselves. You can not debate well without researching because many of you who are commenting were not there at the time and have never had the interest in the subject and are blindly following.
most of you people have no manners someone puts his version of events across and you respond with insults. that’s how intellectually bankrupt a lot of our population is. Mind you history relies quiet a lot on the writer and just because something is written down somewhere does not mean its true. learn to have intelligent discussions without insults even if you believe the other person is wrong. otherwise you are just exposing your foolishness, sorry ignorance.
Mwaba Mutale
What an unfair way of soliciting knowledge and facts for your thesis: by provoking people and then in their anger they volunteer facts to you freely!
Ki busholi boo!
Mwaba Mutale,
What a fraudulant way of soliciting for knowledge and facts for your Thesis: by provoking people, the Barotses, so that in their anger and retaliation they volunteer facts to you freely, then you graduate?
Kona busholi bo lu sa lati boo, kabwalala!
Why insult the young man . He has just stated facts. In fact the Litunga should be arrested for falsefying that the lambaland belonged to the lozi people and got loyalties for the copper.. The lambas should have been the ones who should have received the loyalties from the copper.
Ba Mutale Mwaba
Go back to Sch i think you dont know anything ablt BAROTSELAND & you dont even know why a county you are living in become ZAMBIA .
Last time, you insuited the (Litunga) KING of BAROTSELAND to a level of your chief (CHITIMUKULU).
Ask Govt on BAROTSELAND issure will never tell you, WHY!!!
Stupid Zambians trading insults while the real cuplrits are drinking tea in Buckingham Palace. Why do you go and sue the Brits for woodwinking the Litunga? Its the Brits who lied to the Litunga. They promised him hopsitals and schools, name one such entity that was constructed by the SABC? Idiots stop annoying us with this dead issue. British stole copper from Zambians which the Litunga game away with a stroke of a pen out of utter ignorance, over a cup of tea. Now you want us Zambia victims to give you what you should have gotten from John Cecil Rhodes’s toilet paper (Baroste Treaty)?
The lozi idiots will never learn! it’s
good that notion is still in your bloke
heads. Show your stupidity once more
and get a better thrashing. After all
it will be the state dealing with you
coke suckers. SABA WASHWA MINUNGU
WA MAHO. Who do you think you are or
w The lozi idiots will never learn! it’s
good that notion is still in your bloke
heads. Show your stupidity once more
and get a better thrashing. After all
it will be the state dealing with you
coke suckers. SABA WASHWA SUNUNGU
ZA BASHEMI BAMINA. Who do you think you are or
what do you own besides the sand that
swallows your puning poop! hat do you own besides the sand that
swallows your puning poop! I definitely would not hesitate to blow the hell out of u if happened to be that cop behind a sweet barrel. You will never live your dreams, not even your remote descendants!
The lozi idiots will never learn! it’s good that notion is still in your bloke heads. Show your stupidity once more and get a better thrashing. After all it will be the state dealing with you coke suckers. SABA WASHWA SUNUNGU WA MAHO. Who do you think you are or what do you own besides the sand that swallows your puning poop!
For a masters scholar, this unresearched conjecture is utter rubbish. Go back to grade 10.
Instead of insulting young Mutale, present your own logical arguments. The young man has given us a scholarly version of the Barotse Agreement and he is right. Mutale, continue engaging in mental gymnastics for the benefit of guys who are deliberately uninformed.
Mutale a masters person making conclusions from cathedral buildings, misinformed civil service history and Governorship? Wasebana mune please us Easterners are quiet the problem with you bembas you are clever at talking but empty!
Dear mutale don’t join the fight which you don’t know.stupied man whn lozis are quiet don’t provoke them.whom do you think you are?if you don’t know where you come from,its not our problem but its the problem of your stupied parents and kk who did not tell you this important history,it was not put even in the history of the books of your stupied zambia,if you want job from your zambia go ahead without provoking pipo of barotseland.masipa a hao,you the son of a dog which can’t remember where it come from.it can go on top of its mother.and you do they same like what dogs do.stop publishing such material again.why did your leaders,kk,r.band and lungu sneak at night to barotseland we don’t fear you bembas or what tribe you are.
How old are you Mutale?
Let me lightly tell you something.
Imyaka ukwete shacepa sana ukucita deal with this senstive Nationa matter.
Ask the current Govt with their tribunal sittings if at all they have attempted to publish their findings after being given a report?
Ask E. Lungu if he has ever gone back to the B.r.e as he promised after his enauguration?
The issue is thorny & the papers (documents of truth) lie there in state house.
The GRZ knows the whole truth & nothing but the truth but they just cant release it.
So Mutale wacepa sana.
You ‘re just scratching on surface.
In order to sway the Lozis Ecl decided to appoint Inonge Wina so he can shut them up & try to collect some votes in case of an election.
Thats too cheap.
Mutale Mwaba whatever you call yourself learn to have manners and respect for other people. Let met tell you, you are a flop in life.
You can’t even differentiate a colony from a protectorate, shame. At masters where and of what purpose? for fake reporting or what?. What do you know about Barotseland? you are just a dunderhead riffraff from one of Lusaka’s shanty compounds a job seeker for that matter and that is why znbc has failed to employ you. Today you are on this blog trying to deceive people with fake research programs using your poor English.
You son of a beach whatever your call yourself, just concentrate with your fake reporting, whom do you think you are. what sought of masters degree to have, and where did you obtain it? Your reporting is pathetic. You can’t even write proper English and you claim to be a masters holder where? maybe mwa Kanyama. imagine this fool.
let me warn you, I am a qualified journalist and I know what it takes to correspond in an investigative journalism. So watch your back and never utter nonsense on matters involving the issue of Barotseland in and outside. Do not provoke us because we are very sensitive and will soon apprehend you and bury alive.
Finally, do not drag yourself into the firing range, because you will be fired upon. So take nonessential reporting business to Northern Rhodesia not here this is not a playing ground for idiots like you.
Masila mwa toho ya bo fake masters holder bo Mwaba an empty bemba dog.
In political science, there is what is referred to as the evolution of states. Most african countries were either protectorates or colonies of one kind or another before they became nations that we know today. As such, it is highly unscholarly to capitalise on the literature blackout that the KK regime subjected the zambian people to during their reign. It is for this reason that we do our homework individually and collectively as scholars if this country is to heal the wounds. Living in continuous denial of historical facts does not help brother mutale or any other person at all. I submit
My dear brother,ignorance is a very dangerous tool in the hands of the less knowledgeable. For me you have utterly failed to set a distinction between a colony and a protectorate. Secondly, you have continued to argue from the uninformed point of view regarding the subject of barotseland and its state/nationhood. I wonder which university produces the low thinkers like the author of this article certainly not unza where I studied. Silence is more dignified than exposing one’s intellectual inadequacy.
Mutale,
There is a reply to your article -its your turn now. You may want to show off your skills in political science and talk about state formation (hint).
We are enjoying this debate…please no insults. So far this is clean and beautiful!
Abena mutale……is barotseland was not a protectorate,why then was the BA64 signed.
What importance did it serve if it wasnt necessary.
My understanding this was done to consolidate conditional merging to two interested parties towards the independence of norther rhodesia and barotseland.
U may know that the first police system in zambia was simply shifted from the arotse native police formed in 1905 in libingi
All structures of governance in barotseland were used to jump start zambia as a nation including the national a them and the treasury.
I understand your point of input but it is only based on what u observe from a limited stand point.
Zambian independence was sanctioned in the british parliament after serious debate and some mps insisted barotseland still needed protection. Parliament only succumbed when the BA64 was singed because it gave comfort that if their was batrayal,barotseland was still safe.
Today barotseland is safe… very safe becuase of the BA64.
Lastly i urge you to research and ylu will find out that when fhe partition of africa was being done barotseland was tBled as not to e e terffered with. When there was a dispute ovdr borders with the portuguese…a tribunal was formed and decided the borders of barotseland. Indeed you will know that these borders are in phblic domain.
.dont worry they dont include the so called rail line in lusaka.
The barotse monarchy is intact and recognized internationally as a nation…and this is legal.
I want to urge that we agree that a mistake was made in trying to unilaterrally abrogate the very document that made zbia a nation and now threatens to shred this unity beyond repair. If we agree that this is the case,then i believe we have a chance to heal the wound. But if kaunda’ s attitude then is what we will again rely on,i see a nation unfolding into many states…for as the shape of this nation is that of a foetus…so is it true that the baby is yet to grow.. ut in which form.
It all depends on how you and are willing to quickly be honest with issues amd with each other. There is no other truth.