President Lungu got it all wrong

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President Lungu

President Lungu

“I have dissolved parliament & I am part of parliament but I am still president. I have not stopped being president despite parliament being dissolved; then why do you want ministers to leave office?” – President Lungu during press conference today.

Bwana president you got the mandate of being president from the people of Zambia through the ballot. You didn’t became president because of being part of parliament.

On the contrary, your ministers became ministers by virtue of being parliamentarians. Meaning their mandate was derived from parliament. Without being MPs they wouldn’t be Ministers.

Do you see the difference bwana Chagwa?

By Masinga W Khumalo

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26 Responses to President Lungu got it all wrong

  1. my civics taught me that when the President goes to Parliament, it becomes National Assembly.The President is not part of Parliament.

    Daka
    May 13, 2016 at 6:51 pm
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    • Very correct

      Liz
      May 13, 2016 at 7:30 pm
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    • No. You are wrong. You just embarrassed your civics teacher if he is able to read your posting.
      It is the other way round. The National Assembly becomes Parliament when the President is therein.
      The point still remains that our President is wrong on this particular issue.
      Ministers cease to be Ministers when Parliament is dissolved. The draft constitution has a clause which would have supported the President’s argument to keep Ministers in office while parliament remained dissolved. That Clause was rejected by the PF dominated parliament. The Clause sought to have ministers appointed from outside parliament. We are being manipulated by President Lungu. Surely this is not the way to run a country.

      Leadership is a serious matter
      May 13, 2016 at 11:42 pm
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      • Absolutely right i expected journalists and /or lawyers to bring that out at the press conference.Even Gen.Miyanda missed it in arguement.

        mojo
        May 16, 2016 at 2:44 pm
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  2. Correct.

    Mwanamayo
    May 13, 2016 at 6:52 pm
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  3. When the president enters the National Assembly, that’s when it becomes parliament. Not the other way

    Jim Zimba
    May 13, 2016 at 7:04 pm
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    • Wrong jim zimba It becomes National Assembly when the president is present

      Liz
      May 13, 2016 at 7:33 pm
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  4. THIS president nichikopo naimwe and takes the collective intelligence of Zambians as vikopo. That’s why he is leaving state house after one year.

    Sonta PamaFi
    May 13, 2016 at 7:44 pm
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  5. Democracy puts LIMITATIONS to power! That is how sweet it is, on the part of the voters.

    Icinshikululwa
    May 13, 2016 at 7:52 pm
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  6. Liz: pliz revisit your civics

    Jim Zimba
    May 13, 2016 at 8:10 pm
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  7. @LAZ@MPs@opposition political parties@vuvuzelaNGOs#This culture of not reading is very emberassing

    KC
    May 13, 2016 at 9:28 pm
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    • @Zambians#Read

      KC
      May 13, 2016 at 9:31 pm
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  8. Our LAZ friends don’t read and are very lazy! What is the role of LAZ when it comes to such constitutional breaches? LAZ should be the legal eye and legal and moral camps for the nation otherwise they are now as irrelevant as ZIALE! I rest my case.

    Prof X
    May 14, 2016 at 5:14 am
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    • It is LAZ that came out first against these Former Ministers remaining in their Positions. They gave a press briefing over the issue and quoted the Constitution extensively. So which reading are you asking them to do? The President has purposely manipulated the constitution which is an impeachable offence in some jurisdictions. In Zambia, it is ok for a President to be less truthful. This Country is rotten. Please read the Constitution. You can actually download it. It is clear these former ministers are illegally in those Offices.

      Blackbird
      May 16, 2016 at 7:31 am
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  9. The man kept every amendment he and his ministers made to his chest so that at the eleventh hour he can ambush mps and citizens with such a deceitful document. Why do you want to rule by deception lungu. So you deliberately removed the clause talking about appointing ministers from outside parliament so you can at the so called right you can make funny of rhem. Well you have just shown and proved what I have always feared and that is if it means killing you will do it if that is what it should take to see you continue in office. But I have news for you mr three months remaining president, it aren’t gona work.

    ZAMBIAN
    May 14, 2016 at 6:48 am
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    • The president is right.There is nowhere in the constitution where it is says ministers must vacate officer once parliament is dissolved. Article 116 states when minister ceases to be one, thus upon death, resignation, or dismissed by the appointing authority.Unfortunately dissolving Parliament is not one in which the minister ceases to be minister. He only ceases to be mp. Under common law, when there is a clause that has expressly stated when one ceases to be such, the implied law invalidate itself. Laz’s argument is based on implied laws, which in this case is invalidated by the express law written in the constitution, stating when a minister ceases to be minister. The president has followed the constitutional provision to the later. Be careful with Chagwa, a graduate with distinctions in law from UNZA.Keep it up Chagwa, no wonder he earned a distinction

      perfect
      May 14, 2016 at 10:40 am
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      • Yaba! What kind of a lawyer is this Kanshi?. Does he understand how he was given the presidential mandate? Imwe pilizi!!!!!

        response
        May 14, 2016 at 12:55 pm
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      • Yaba! What kind of a lawyer is this Kanshi?. Does he understand how he was given the presidential mandate? Imwe pilizi!!!!! I think he got dis…STINK…tions not the distinctions I know.

        response
        May 14, 2016 at 1:00 pm
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        • Response,
          Just go to UNZA or ask Professor Mvunga or Professor Muno Ndulo his former lecturers you will be told my friend.Debate on issues not illusions. Your preferred candidate did not get a distinction my friend. Since you seem not to know what you are talking about I will not debate with you any longer. I doubt it if UPND will win this case in court if they have taken it there.
          The best UPND can do is just campaign. This argument of ministers in office is invalid

          perfect
          May 14, 2016 at 3:36 pm
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  10. it was embassaring to see the president at sea with the law yesterday he could not elaborate wat he wanted to achieve u could see the shame on a number of faces wat a lawyer .

    Arca
    May 14, 2016 at 11:34 am
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  11. If you played “Dr” Kambwili as one of your eleven soccer players, he will think he’s one of your best. You elect some numskull for a leader he’ll think he’s your best. No wonder Esther thinks she’s your mother. Up to you voters.

    itizi turu
    May 14, 2016 at 12:34 pm
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  12. The old man and the medal lungu Edgar is feeling the pain in his shoes soon to loose the medal in water on 11th august.The same law you want to misinterpret will follow you

    Big Nose
    May 14, 2016 at 4:06 pm
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  13. In my opinion this is good for decentralisation…in the event of decision making…focus is been placed on their titles rather than on them as aspiring mp’s who just happen to have jobs….we have been assured they wont use public resources so whats the fear?….I salute Lungu and his attempt to share decision making power. a balance in cabinet would take us a long way….

    C.R.A
    May 14, 2016 at 5:18 pm
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    • What are you trying to say? This is not decentralisation being discussed here. If they wont use any Government resources why are they being kept in their positions? We are told their job is policy formulation, so which policy are they going to formulate during the campaign period? Lets be serious. They are chewing your money for not doing anything and you cant raise a finger? What a way of supporting a Party. No wonder Africa is in this state. I concur with Prof. Patrice Lumumba when he says “Africans are given a blank cheque to go and buy a Mercedes Benz. They go to a showroom and buy a Tuktuk and expect it to behave like a Benz.” We elect hyenas to look after our Goats and then start wondering where all the goats have gone to. It is ridiculous to justify a wrong. These former Ministers are Parasites who should pray that this Government comes back to power. Ask Chiluba’s Ministers over the fertilizer they were asked to payback after using it in campaigns following directives from the President.

      Blackbird
      May 16, 2016 at 7:51 am
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  14. may i know what will happen to ministers who will lose their parliamentarly seats after august 11? because the president said since he will be re-elected he will only reshufle them.unless another person takes over the office of the president

    TK
    May 15, 2016 at 5:14 am
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    • Lungu is holding his ministers to ransom,he does not want them to run to the opposition due to his failure to govern,hence the trick to keep them illegally as ministers,when trouble comes they wont have his immunity they will be on their own.Dont say you were not warned. The Clause for ministers to stay on,was mearnt for non partisan oppintments from outside parliament which lungu andPF cadres rejected in the new constitution.What sort of lawyer was our Kateka kanshi.

      dan biloko
      May 16, 2016 at 4:56 pm
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